I believe I have been taken advantage of...

topic posted Fri, February 22, 2008 - 4:30 PM by  Tyrus
Hi,

I believe I have been taken advantage of. I was dating a lady who's son had undiagnosed asperger.

She also self diagnosed me. (I just took an online quiz, and got a ~185/200. on the aspie and 18/200 on the non aspie.)

She kept me pushed to my stress limits, she spent my money - I had good credit. She didn't so we purchased things on my credit cards. We were going to pay for the goods together.

I feel 1. I was gullible since I never had a loving relationship 2. Since I trust what people say and take it for fact (that she would work harder next week to help pay for it).
3. I was pushed beyond my limits. I ended up lashing out, and she used that as an excuse to spend more.
4. I ended up feeling trapped.

I finally broke free, but have been paying for it ever since, and have not been able to pay it down

She has racked up ~$15k in debts for her half. That has caused my already high stress go through the roof.

Her current partner is trying to say they were "Gifts"
As of now, I only have about 3 more months to sue, but don't know how to go about it.

Any Ideas.

I have a suitcase of negatives and pictures from 30 years of her life. I can hold as ransom. Of course most of the ones she really wanted are already in Scrapbooks.

Thanks
posted by:
Tyrus
New Orleans
  • Re: I believe I have been taken advantage of...

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 6:47 PM
    > As of now, I only have about 3 more months to sue, but don't know how to go about it.
    >
    > Any Ideas.

    1) if you want to recover the money then contact a lawyer. Just pick one out of the phone book, or get recommendations. You may be able to get some compensation for the items, or get the items themselves which perhaps you can sell. Afterall, you paid for them, they're yours. Her new partner may say they're gifts, but who the hell is he? Let a judge decide. If you have only 3 months (?) then get on the stick. At least a consultation should be free. If she and her partner have any sense, then they will decide to bargin once they get contacted by a lawyer. Also, talk to the lawyer about the pictures. Don't do anything drastic with them, yet.

    2) or fuck it. Tell yourself you're going to take the personal hit, and then really do so. Forget abot going after her, discard the pictures, claim ignorance, move on. We all go through shitty relationships with shitty people, welcome to your turn. Learn from the experience. If you don't trust your judgement in partners, then cultivate trustworthy friends who will agree to take you aside and spell stuff out for you in the future.

    3) financially, that's a nasty hole you're in. If there's no way to get out of it, consider bankruptcy. Credit counselling will screw up your credit rating more than a bankruptcy will. learn from the experience, and use the interveening 7 years to get your financial situation on a better footing.

    Don't use your presumed asperger's as an excuse or a crutch. It's something to acknowledge and understand, and something to develop healthy coping skills for. Learn to recognize when people are taking advantage of you. Learn what signs people put out that indicate their trustworthiness.

    Good luck.
    • Re: I believe I have been taken advantage of...

      Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:49 PM
      What he said. #2. I've taken some enormous hits just to get out of poisonous relationships. It's worth it to just make a clean break and walk away. Fighting over money only prolongs the drama and hell you will have to go with this person. Write it off. Really. Life is too short.

      I've been through #2 lots of times and #3 once. I don't ever regret not staying and fighting over money, bills, or possessions. Freedom is priceless.
      • Re: I believe I have been taken advantage of...

        Mon, February 25, 2008 - 11:05 PM
        This Lady seems like a con artist. My advice would be to write it off.

        I have been taken advantage of many times myself. Most recently by a man who didn't pay me any rent when I rented a room out to him. When I finally got the nerve to kick him out, I had to have two other friends with me. We were also all armed with walking sticks. When I told him to leave, he refused. Then he tried to start a fight with all three of us. None of us fought with him. When the Police arrived, this man started crying and tried to tell the Police that my two friends and I had beaten him up. Of course, since he had no bruises, black eyes, bloody nose, etc. The cops didn't believe him. To my surprise, this didn't stop HIM from filing a false (private) charge against me for 'forcible confinement' (telling him to leave) and 'Assault with a weapon' (blocking his sucker punch to my jaw with my cane that I walk with.) This would have meant eighteen months in jail if I had been found guilty.

        Fortunately (?) I was unemployed and destitute at the time this happened, which means that I qualified for legal aide. This saved me THOUSANDS of dollars in legal fees. However it did take a year out of my life and cost me my best friend. She was also charged along with me, and this court case was far too stressful for her to endure as it triggered flashbacks of traumatic events from her childhood.

        My experience with such people is that 'you can't get blood from a stone'. These people WON'T repay you, even if you point a gun to their heads.

        There is also the expression 'Good money after bad'. How much money, time and effort (the 'good' money) are you willing to invest in order to try and get your $15,000 back from this skinflint?

        This is especially true if they have bad credit. I have heard of numerous cases where con artists that have been ordered to make repayments by the court simply balked, declaring bankruptcy (Get out of debt card) themselves or simply paying back a minimum of $20 a month. Not an 'easy twenty' either, but one that you would have to go well out of your way and crawl through broken glass to get. The entertainment value these people will get out of watching you jump through THEIR hoops of fire will be well worth the $20 that they are willing to give as a token gesture once a month. You'll be playing telephone tag, running around town, doing 'little favors' for them, having to endure their smirks and the occasional insult, and spending $40 in gas just to pick up your monthly $20. You may even hear 'Oh, sorry I couldn't give you your $20 this month. Money has been tight around here lately."

        There is also the matter of legality. Do you have any signatures that say 'I promise to repay?" Is there any way to legally prove that these things were NOT gifts, but loans? The reason she has bad credit is because she defaulted on a promise to repay her creditors. That's a legal debt. She is still not paying these people back, even though they have her signature saying 'I promise to repay'.

        If you were a creditor such as VISA or Mastercard then you could easily take this woman to collections and get at least SOME of your money back. If she owes you $15,000 you might be able to sell your debt to a collection agency for say $10,000 or so. Then THEY would be the ones to hassle her night and day to repay the money, taking her to court if necessary.

        When you say "I have a suitcase of negatives and pictures from 30 years of her life. I can hold as ransom. Of course most of the ones she really wanted are already in Scrapbooks." I would be extremely careful with this. That seems to be venturing towards extortion and blackmail which are both serious criminal charges.

        Even though these people are criminals themselves, they have no scruples and will thus bring criminal charges down against you in a heartbeat. I had intended to hold the Man and his girlfriend's suitcases (containing passports) as ransom until they paid me the $720 they owed me. I found out that this was illegal to do in Ontario. If they had chosen to have me charged with doing this, then their court case would have been successful and I would now have a criminal record. Fortunately for me, they chose to make it into a big drama, attempting to have me charged with 'Extortion' and 'Kidnapping', until they bumped it down a notch and decided that 'Forcible confinement' and 'Assault with a weapon' were a more believable story.

        I'll tell you what I am doing about it though. Since I have pictures of these two 'nickle-and-dime' con artists that tried so hard to make my life miserable, I decided to make a comic book about it. I can write and draw, so it's pretty easy for me to do. This is a pretty common story too, one that most people can relate to.

        You could do something similar, taking your horrible experiences with this woman and making a movie about it for example. This might range from showing pictures of her on YouTube with you and a Handi-Cam, to a feature film detailing exactly what happened in your life. How she took advantage, etc. You could hire college students to help with the writing, do the acting, directing and camera work for you. I know in Canada that making a movie is tax deductible, even if you are an American citizen. So, whatever money you spend on making a film you will get back in the form of a cheque from the government. There is a good book about making films for cheap, called 'Feature Film-making at used car prices.'
        • Re: I believe I have been taken advantage of...

          Wed, February 27, 2008 - 3:53 AM
          if you're strong enuf to fight then fight.

          if the emotional cost of fighting is somthing you would be willing to pay 5 thousand dollarsto aviod, then forget about it.

          and afteer lawer costs 5 thousand bucks is the most i wuld think you mite get back. the most.

          if the mony is the only thing that is keeping you from wanting to cut off contact with this asshole, well then look at iit this way, 15 grand is about as much as you would have had to pay a good hooker to spend the night with you that many times.



          on a more evil note, you could if the oportunity presents it's self and if you are a good enuf actor, say to her ,infront of her new mark (boy freind) "i knew you wer fucking somone else when we wer together , i geuss this is him" leaving him with that little cernal of dowt to fester in his head.

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